A little more than a week ago, I posted about the Yamaha DiscT@2 and Fujifilm Labelflash system of creating visible images on recordable discs using the laser of a CD/DVD recorder, and made a comparison with the HP LightScribe system which was a direct competitor.
To be honest, while the post seemed to attract some interest, I was never fully satisfied with it as there were a few questions I felt were left unanswered. The biggest one was to do with Labelflash media itself and what a proper Labelflash result looks like. I couldn’t help myself and plonked down some cash to find out. In addition to that, I also explore some rather random questions that nobody asked … but perhaps could be of interest.
I also found this original brochure from Fujifilm – very Japanese in its presentation style!
Labelflash Media & Visual Result
For the sum of about AU$30 posted, I managed to obtain a spindle of ten Ritek 16x DVD+R Labelflash discs. They’re not exactly common media, so there’s not much of a choice.
The spindle has a barcode number of 4719303534834 and a product code of 70670BRTK0016 and claims to be Made in Taiwan.
The top surface of the disc is a bright reflective blue, sandwiched 0.6mm below the clear polycarbonate top layer. The central hub area is printed a solid blue with white logo and text clearly noting this to be the printing side. Inserting the disc with the printing side down into an ordinary non-Labelflash drive does not result in any media detected, so it seems that there must be some extra detection strategy used by Labelflash firmware to detect and track on the printing side of the disc.
Once again, a familiar image is used with the maximum contrast level of 100, as Labelflash does not enforce rotational alignment so cannot be “burned again”.
The result is actually slightly underwhelming. The burned areas were not as clear as I had expected, still remaining a translucent light blue. This actually makes the result rather similar to Lightscribe, just with a different colour palette …
… and a shiny, protected printing surface. The radial and ring patterns are also visible, suggesting the burn strategy is practically the same as the DiscT@2 mode.
When viewed at a particular angle, it almost looks like a “negative”. It definitely works and while I’d have to say I prefer this to LightScribe, both are inherently clumsy, slow and limited in capabilities.
But on the whole, viewing angle is much better especially when compared to the underside of the disc where I burned the same image (except, the burn got interrupted towards the end by an unexpected reboot).
In case you were wondering, the discs carry a RITEK-F16-01 MID which implies the use of Fuji Oxonol dyes. It’s quite likely then, that the Fuji branded products may well have the same discs inside.
Labelflash Index Maker Software
Another thing I wanted to try was the “official” Labelflash Index Maker software to see what it is like. While the site is long offline, the download can still be found thanks to the Internet Archive’s Wayback Machine, along with some of their goofy templates.
The software is very basic, featuring a drop-down menu of installed templates and fields where some text can be entered and overlaid into the template. This provides an extremely limited amount of customisability.
Templates also indicate the approximate burning time. Some of the templates very obviously try to capitalise on the fact that the burning speed is the same inside and out, but you get more area burned on the outside for the same amount of time, thus can fit more text that way. The burning radii are automatically adjusted by the application, but on the whole, the templates are somewhat underwhelming and some even turn the disc into more of a “retail top” disc, just minus the sharpie.
There’s not much to choose in the configuration window – the font and burning area (Disc Scan will configure this for a burned disc). The DiscT@2 mode is automatically selected too depending on the disc being burned.
Three burning quality levels are provided, with no further customisation. Burning a DiscT@2 to a blank disc will prompt a warning that the disc must not have data written to it afterwards.
A progress bar is shown during burning, and once completed, a message will appear indicating that the burn has finished.
Templates are defined by the lim.ini file included in the package, so if you bother, perhaps you can customise the images being burned however, it seems Nero is still much more capable and more convenient to use overall.
Can You DiscT@2 an Inorganic DVD+R?
The most notable complaint about DiscT@2 is the difficulty in seeing the printed image. This is because the majority of DVD-R/DVD+R discs are based on an organic dye compound which is purple/blue in colour. These dyes, especially in higher speed discs, are often quite pale already and only get slightly paler once affected by the laser.
But there’s one type of disc that isn’t organic. Can you guess what I’m thinking? Yes, the M-Disc Milleniata DVD+R. These rather expensive discs eschew the reflective layer and dye layer for a “stone-like” substance which does both. This results in a disc with a very silvery appearance from the underside, but can be burned by special (mostly LG) DVD writers.
If you’re wondering whether I wasted a M-Disc DVD+R on a DiscT@2 test, yes I did.
To make this work was more complicated than just throwing it in and hitting burn. My default contrast setting of 100 actually caused the burn to fail and the drive to hiss and click as it seemed to have difficulty tracking the disc.
It seems that the high laser exposure was enough to effectively burn through the recording layer resulting in a complete loss of reflectivity, causing tracking issues. If I hold the disc up to the light, there’s a hairline ring where light shines through the disc completely! Lowering the contrast level to about 60 allowed for the above result, which looks absolutely gorgeous compared to the organic discs.
There is still a concentric ring pattern, but the contrast between light and dark is very obvious and the disc is beautiful, although not functional. This does imply that if you use an M-Disc burner to write data first, you could still label the remaining area using a Labelflash drive in DiscT@2 mode, as long as you don’t overdo the contrast like I did.
Looking from the top side of the disc, the changes to the media recording layer are obvious, along with the “really burnt” central ring area. Luckily the original “failed” burn could be recovered as it failed practically at the beginning.
Can You DiscT@2 a DVD+RW?
You know what else uses an inorganic recording layer? DVD-RW/DVD+RW discs! These use exotic phase-change alloys which can be controlled to form a crystalline or amorphous structure depending on the temperature they are heated up to and the cool-down profile. These discs are quite sensitive to writing conditions to ensure rewriteability and good recording quality. It’s no great surprise that, by default, you’re not allowed to burn a DiscT@2 to a rewriteable disc, with the software throwing a “Not supported” message.
So no, you cannot DiscT@2 a DVD-RW/DVD+RW. But what would it take to make it happen? I actually asked this question early in the Labelflash era and people thought I was crazy for even wanting to draw a DiscT@2 to a rewriteable disc. I guess now, I get to find out!
Disclaimer – I do not recommend any reader attempt what they are about to see. If you choose to do this, you do so at your own risk and I cannot accept any responsibility for any harm, loss or damage that may come your way as a result!
First, open up the enclosure and extract the drive – yes, this is my DVR-111DBK which has been crossflashed to DVR-111L. Since I’ve burned one Labelflash disc, I feel it’s no longer a great risk to open it up … so out come the five bottom screws, front tray bezel and drive bezel.
Leaving the base on, as it acts as the heatsink for the laser and motor driver units, we can see the drive mechanism and the magnetic disc clamp assembly at the top.
Extract the disc clamp by cutting the label and spinning the retention plate on the top. This now allows us to mount discs onto the spindle by sliding them into place over the spindle and snapping the magnetic clamp on top. Why is this necessary? Because we need to trick the drive to make our experiment work!
For safety, and to avoid accidental exposure to the laser, a snug fitting cardboard box is pushed over the drive assembly. The drive is a Class 3B laser device, so it is hazardous to the eye. This also serves the important function of protecting the user in case the disc shatters during spin-up. Being inside an external USB case also allows us to remove power to render the drive inert at any time.
The idea is to start the drive with a DVD+R disc mounted inside first. Once the software is fully loaded and set-up for a burn, we can swap the disc with a DVD+RW and hit burn. If the drive doesn’t notice, we’ll be on our way. This might work since most drives only read the media information when the disc is first inserted and keep this inside the drive RAM until the tray is ejected.
But one complication is that the drive likes to keep the laser on and the disc spinning at a slow speed at all times. To control this, a software called CD Throttle (formerly CD Bremse) is used to set a short idle time-out so that the drive spins down and shuts off the laser. As long as no other applications attempt to access the drive, you can swap the disc (quickly!) or power down the drive in case things go wrong.
Did I succeed? In fact, I did, in what may be the world’s first example of a DiscT@2 write to a rewriteable DVD!
The above was burnt to a Sony Accucore DVD+RW 4x disc at a contrast setting of 30. Not as brilliant as the M-Disc, with a sort of “dark” central area, but that is somewhat expected since the reflectivity of rewriteable discs generally is lower.
If the light hits it just right, the image is quite visible along with some rings.
A second disc was burned at the full 100 contrast setting which resulted in a much more visible image.
Now, both radial and circular patterns are visible. Because these discs have been burnt with the full available radius, none of the drives I have will recognise these discs as DVD+RW discs anymore. Instead, they hiss and click as they try to read a table of contents that doesn’t exist, made up of laser marks which are not compliant with DVD standards.
The reason I mention this is because I also wondered what would happen if I attempted to erase the disc afterward and or perhaps try to use it as a rewriteable. I suspected the image quality would get poorer, as the default erasure strategy is to write a fixed pattern to the disc (resulting in a near-even darkness pattern across the whole media).
To try and pursue this further, I decided to burn another disc, this time a TDK DVD+RW 4x disc that was a CMC. The image this time was burned at a contrast of 30 but seemed duller than the Sony result.
Instead of using the full radius, I left 2mm extra in the centre so hopefully drives will read this area and decide the disc is blank. While good in theory, as it turns out, all of my drives except my LG GGW-H20L and the DVR-111DBK/L decided that the disc was somehow incompatible.
Trying with the DVR-111DBK, things didn’t get far – no actual format attempt was completed, as the drive complained.
However, the LG GGW-H20L was a little more successful …
… managing to format up to the image section before clicking, hissing and then deciding to abort the format entirely. It seems that the rewriteable discs have been permanently damaged by the DiscT@2 process, which is not surprising, as they may have been exposed to laser powers beyond their engineered expectations.
But there is one more thing I can try … a very uncommon type of rewriteable erasure known as a DC Erase. This resets the rewriteable media to the original factory colour and is only available on a very limited number of drives. This feature has mostly been “lost” to history – one of the only threads I know to mention it is this one from a Chinese forum (translated).
As it turns out, I did buy a Nu-Tech DDW-082 myself. It wasn’t a great burner – it had some funky behaviour with DVD-R and its recording quality at higher speeds was just downright poor. But it did have this DC Erase functionality, which is why I kept the drive in my arsenal.
Along with an old copy of DVDInfoPro which I kept archived, it is possible to request the drive do a DC Erase.
Only a “Quick” DC Erase was successful. Attempting the “Full” erase resulted in it failing rapidly after it started.
Attempting to erase it using the DDW-082 in the regular way resulted in a permanent hang at 5%. Ultimately, this proves that the DVD+RW discs have been permanently damaged and beyond recovery. But that’s okay – that was my expectation and it was all “in the name of science.”
In case you’re wondering, I tried the swap trick with a CD-R and CD-RW and report a burn failure every time, as the laser mechanism fails to focus on the surface (it’s expecting it at 0.6mm depth) and probably is looking for a DVD-type tracking signal. So no, it’s not possible to DiscT@2 a CD using such drives – only the original Yamaha can do that.
What Happens When You Burn Data to a DiscT@2 Disc
Users are constantly reminded that if they burn a DiscT@2 to an empty disc, that they must not write data to the disc afterward. This is no doubt because the image will cause corruption of the recorded data. However, I still felt this was an interesting experiment to try, as this could be a means of creating discs with a controlled amount of error which might be used for assessing drive’s error correction capabilities.
I started with an idea to burn a template that looks like the one above, with progressively increasing bars to see how far we can go before the errors start to cause problems. After designing this image, I loaded it into the software and burnt the image to a disc.
I chose to use contrast level 30 to minimise the amount of damage to the disc itself prior to the data burn, but also, to offer enough contrast for viewing.
Sadly, the result came out with the opposite polarity to that I had expected. All of the disc area except for the pips were burned. This would not be useful, but for fun, I decided to try a burn with my LG BH16NS55 (as it’s a star with the RITEK-F16 media) and as expected, this errored out with a PCA error.
For a second take, I inverted the image … and burned another disc.
The resulting disc had exactly the same polarity, so something strange is happening. Perhaps there is a contrast maximisation calculation somewhere that decides which polarity the image will be recorded.
To overcome this, I simplified the design and drew it inside Nero directly.
This time, the disc came out with the right polarity. Putting it into my LG BH16NS55, I was able to burn the full surface just fine.
The resulting media now looks like this, with the burned sections still visible despite the recorded data.
To understand how the blocks affected the data recording quality of the disc, I decided to do a PI/PO scan of the disc using two drives, a LiteOn LDW-851S @ 4x CLV and a iHBS312 2 @ 4x CAV. I usually trust the LDW-851S more, as the CLV scans are generally the “gold standard”.
First, a control burn of a clean RITEK-F16 on the LG BH16NS55:
In general, both drives agree that the LG does a great job on this particular disc, burned at 8x. The errors are well below the preferred limits – ideally, PI must be below 280 and PIFs should be below 4 and must be below 32 to ensure readability.
The effect of the blocks are clearly visible – the blocks cause a “controlled” nearly-constant elevation of error levels over the background. These elevations are not high enough to cause the disc to be unreadable, but are enough to be detectable by the drives and reduce the margin for coping with dirt, scratches and degradation. It’s not recommended to burn even a tiny label on the disc and then write data to it, however it seems the drive may be able to cope with a ~1.7mm wide block without creating too many errors as to cause the disc to fail. This is the “magic” of error correction.
Reading back on the LG BH16NS55, we can see that towards the outer edge, reading at higher speeds is “disrupted” by the increased errors, causing slower throughput, but perhaps not as bad as I had expected. After all, the more modern drives tend to be more capable than the older ones at handling imperfections.
For giggles, I decided to try burning a RITEK-F16 on the LDW-851S, a burner that was made well before the media even existed. It could not burn faster than 2.4x, using the default strategy, which results in a much worse quality burn, especially towards the outside edge. An outright failure in my book, but perhaps still readable except at the very end.
This is why it’s important to match the recorder to the media. Old media and new recorders don’t always work well since the firmware may only have the parameters to burn newer media. Likewise, new media and old recorders also have issues, as they may not have the right parameters. This often results in a “default” set of parameters being applied, and depending on the sophistication of the drive, some adaptive changes during the burn to try and maintain writing quality. The result is often slow, inconsistent burns with increased error rates (thus shorter lifetimes).
Conclusion
At last, I think I’ve explored the ins and outs of the Labelflash technology, answering all the questions that were never asked, but perhaps are interesting. On the whole, I prefer Labelflash to LightScribe, but it was the less popular one of the two. Both were very limited and flawed from the outset, but the protected nature of the Labelflash printing dye and the ability of the drives to also do DiscT@2 really made it my preference.
The Labelflash Index Maker software is very basic and doesn’t really make the most of the capabilities of Labelflash. There are very limiting templates with only a few fields for text and no easy way to customise graphics. It seems to be a very “low-cost effort” and I much prefer Nero as a result.
DiscT@2ing various discs went well – inorganic M-Disc media actually showed great contrast and required reduction of contrast setting to complete a burn successfully. Writing to DVD+RW is also possible with the drive disassembled and the disc-swap trick (at the risk of the user), although this destroys the disc permanently, as I have learned.
It also seems to be possible to burn very small “features” onto a disc and then write data to it, to introduce a “controlled” amount of error into the disc. Provided the burner writes well and the features are small, the error correction will mask the existence of the label and the disc will appear to function normally despite having a reduced margin to failure.